FOX News: America Reports
3/20/2024 6:25pm
... dr. good to catch up with you. this is the real herd immunity no question. john: center? mxp two senators off a briefing on the tiktok threat but is it enough to convince them to move the house bill forward? ...
FOX News: America Reports
3/20/2024 6:24pm
... spilled over to all of our vaccines now try to enter vaccines like the mmr vaccine have been around for decades, extremely safe, extremely effective at preventing the spread. john: herd immunity we haven't heard that for a while, ...
FOX News: America Reports
3/20/2024 6:24pm
... decline? one more point about that to get to herd immunity that magic number where you protect those who can't vaccine like pregnant women, immunocompromised, it has ...
FOX News: Americas Newsroom
3/14/2024 2:48pm
... 93ers p percent in the united states. i think it's lower now. that was a year ago. we have had so much anti-vaccine sentiment that the measles vaccination is dropping. the number for herd immunity. ...
CNN: The Lead With Jake Tapper
3/5/2024 7:25am
... age school is a petri dish. and the last thing i can consider steve of is that we would actively reintroduce measles into the mess. now i will give you that the covid vaccine rollout was less than ideal. not everybody understood the science, but herd immunity is part of why we are living ...
CNN: The Lead With Jake Tapper
3/4/2024 10:24pm
... not everybody understood the science but herd immunity is part of why we are living longer in society as a human civilization. the idea that we would put that at risk because of individual choice or people refusing to understand science. ...
CNN: CNN This Morning Weekend
3/2/2024 11:53am
... landscape, we can certainly begin to enjoy a modicum of freedom with the herd immunity that we have won. a hard one, shall we say herd immunity by hook or crook? so we've gotten thereby sort of vaccinations, ...
CNN: CNN This Morning Weekend
3/2/2024 11:50am
... remember we talked about this when california and oregon did it first try. and now the federal guidelines have changed, has the science changed? have we learned more about covid, herd immunity? what explains the change? so the science has not changed or what has changed is ...
CNN: CNN News Central
2/29/2024 12:59pm
... maga infused vaccine hesitancy that has created more people who have decided not to vaccinate their children. and that's why we're not at herd immunity. that's why we have two lower percentage of vaccinations. and it's why one of the most communicable ...
CNN: CNN News Central
2/29/2024 12:58pm
... that people don't get the covid vaccine so he has fueled vaccine hesitancy. and that's why we're only at 92% vaccination rate in our county as opposed to 95, which is where herd immunity is indicated. yeah. he's actually said last month he said that he ...
MSNBC: Andrea Mitchell Reports
2/26/2024 5:50pm
... if you don't know your vaccine status, seek out and get one shot. over the age of 18, it's one shot and if you're younger, lim broward county. 15 states, and it could be yours. most states have low vaccination rates to give us that herd ...
MSNBC: Deadline White House
2/23/2024 10:41pm
... compromise herd immunity and allow a virus to spread for quickly. florida state vaccination coverage is 90.6% but statewide vaccination coverage does not identify pacts where there are lower coverage. that is extraordinarily ...
FOX News: Fox Report With Jon Scott
12/31/2023 11:43pm
... herd immunity, what you have to say about that? what are your thoughts? when it initially came out as a concept in the fall of 2020 a lot of us are skeptical but that got a lot of things right. you could argue they got ...
CNN: CNN This Morning Weekend
11/19/2023 12:34pm
... population vaccinated to continue to have herd immunity. even more alarming, there are ten states in the united states that have greater than that 5%. so already are outside of what we deem to be safe for herd immunity for measles. there are 40 states that all ...
CNN: CNN This Morning Weekend
11/19/2023 12:33pm
... to other viruses like measles and mumps is that as spreads from person it to person, it mutates. so we are not able to get that herd immunity. we had an opportunity early on in the pandemic to reach herd ...
CNN: CNN News Central
11/10/2023 8:42pm
... before the pandemic, the national vaccination rate was 90%. that's the goal to reach herd immunity where you can protect the folks who aren't vaccinated by having everybody else be protected. so during the pandemic, we saw that slowly inch down to 94%, and then over the past two years ...
CNN: CNN Primetime
9/22/2023 2:07am
... populations because that is exactly how we'll get herd immunity. the mrna covid vaccines need to be withdrawn from the market now. no one should get them. no one should get boosted. look right there. the same workers who stayed behind and now wheeling out the ...
MSNBC: Deadline White House
7/24/2023 9:08pm
... personnel. he was out front on the vaccination. but then he saw which way the winds were blowing and so he pushed out dr. rivkees, as dr. gupta said and dr. birx and instead palled around with dr. scott atlas, the controversial doctor who believed in herd ...
CNN: Smerconish
7/8/2023 7:21pm
... dorf and discussing would we be better protecting the most vulnerable and letting the virus run its course, more quickly getting to herd immunity. i published your essay on my website. but what ended up happening to ...
CNN: Smerconish
7/8/2023 1:20pm
... declaration is interviewing both you and coledorf and would we be better protecting the most vulnerable among us and letting the virus run its course more quickly getting to herd immunity. i published your essay on my ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
7/6/2023 7:09am
... we'll have herd immunity. quite frankly, thaimmut is. and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very dangerous. dr. bhattacharya, your reaction when you hear ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
7/6/2023 2:09am
... the great barrington declaration, in there is the implication, let everybody get infected that's going to be able to get infected and then we'll have herd immunity. quite frankly that is nonsense and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
6/27/2023 7:51am
... immunity. 70% for herd immunity, then. oh, no, i wa no , s lying to you because you couldn't handle the number. and then he said, if you getsais vaccinated, you can't get the disease. you can't pass it on over and over again. he has basically tried to dissemble in order to, ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
6/27/2023 7:51am
... well, the problem is that ifu you look at what he'els actually during the pandemic, laura, he's lied to the american publihec and over mas and over again. first on your first mass, don't work. buks dt oh, yeah, i was lying to you. i just wanted to spare the masks. then hmasks e said 60% for herd ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
6/27/2023 2:51am
... over and over again. first on masks don't work and yea i loyaled i wanted to per se masks and said, 60% for herd immunity no , i loyaled you could not handle the number. and said if you get vaccines you ...
FOX News: Cavuto Live
6/3/2023 3:42pm
... say, below the age of 65, it's not really necessary unless they have comorbidity to get the booster vaccines especially with the omicron variant and we have over 80% herd immunity that i talked about months ago. ...
MSNBC: Alex Wagner Tonight
5/20/2023 4:36am
... tapped to be part of donald trump's covid response team in 2020 despite the fact that he had no public health or infectious disease experience. his specialty's medical imaging. regardless, dr. atlas is the one who proposed herd immunity has a national strategy to fight the pandemic. he also ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
3/25/2023 5:38am
... when you severe have a severe gr you killisturn, people, particularly low income people. people anyonelockdome is against lockdown's means you're for letting it riwnp the so-called herd immunity strategy, which, of course, nose one said no one in the white ant house ever discussed it.o add ...
FOX News: The Big Sunday Show
3/12/2023 9:29pm
... epidemiologists from harvard, oxford, major, these are major figures who deal with virology every day, they said at the beginning, herd immunity needs to be considered, these lockdowns are too onerous. fauci sidelined them, dismissed ...
CNN: Smerconish
3/4/2023 8:48pm
... should have given more consideration to isolating those who were most at risk? the elderly? allowing people to lead their lives knowing they would get it and embracing more herd ...
CNN: Smerconish
3/4/2023 8:43pm
... i can remember putting scott atlas on cnn, both from stanford, and the blowback about how in the world could you allow them to talk about herd immunity was unbelievable. ...
CNN: Smerconish
3/4/2023 8:41pm
... more government officials from the fbi, to the energy department, say it's likely the origin of the disease was a lab leak, opinions are still divided, there is discussion of whether we have reached herd immunity, and what role vaccines will play or want, moving forward. ...
CNN: Smerconish
3/4/2023 2:48pm
... comorbidities and allowing people to lead their lives knowing they would get it and embracing more herd immunity. i think we could have started doing that once the vaccine became widely available. before the vaccines were widely available, we had such little ...
CNN: Smerconish
3/4/2023 2:42pm
... how in the world could you allow them to talk about natural or herd immunity was unbelievable. but in your case speaking to the contentiousness of this, somebody sitting in prison today because of threats they made ...
FOX News: Fox News at Night
1/14/2023 5:29am
... billion people. are you surprised so many people are getting infected? a country that was locked down and reopened ten when you reopen and release all those people they have no natural immunity, no herd immunity. you're going to get a lot of people infected but guess what's going to happen. ...
MSNBC: Way Too Early With Jonathan Lemire
12/27/2022 10:50am
... curious stories in a long time china went from being totally closed to basically totally open it's as if the government has disappeared, stopped taking responsibility for covid, they have essentially decided to go with herd immunity, let covid burn through the population, it will probably mean the ...
FOX News: Special Report With Bret Baier
12/27/2022 5:48am
... after that, and let's not forget that in 2020 he was one of the wrongness people out there when it came to covid. he said that it had peaked in april, 40000 will die, then we are reaching herd immunity by june, wrong, wrong, wrong. so focus on the doctors like the ...
FOX News: Special Report With Bret Baier
12/26/2022 11:48pm
... are reaching herd immunity by june wrong, wrong, wrong. focus on the doctor like the stanford professor as the well who didn't get to tweet what they were finding especially when it relates to kids don't make alex berenson into some sort of martyr. ...
CNN: Fareed Zakaria GPS
12/11/2022 6:52pm
... but today, most countries have built up protection through a combination of vaccination and exposure. it isn't exactly herd immunity, but it's enough that the virus, while still spreading, doesn't pose a colossal threat to the ...
CNN: Fareed Zakaria GPS
12/11/2022 6:51pm
... smacking palms. seatgeek handles the tickets, so fans can fan. and now for the last note. remember that idea of herd immunity? at the beginning of the ...
CNN: Fareed Zakaria GPS
12/11/2022 3:52pm
... exposure. it isn't exactly herd immunity, but it's enough that the virus, while still spreading, doesn't pose a colossal threat to the population. in china, however, the situation is totally different. ...
CNN: Fareed Zakaria GPS
12/11/2022 3:51pm
... and now for the last note. remember that idea of herd immunity? at the beginning of the pandemic, anti-lockdown voices wanted to let the virus run free. they argued the population would build so much immunity that ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
12/9/2022 6:10am
... hits the elderly and infirm so they should be protectedaren't and let younger people who aren't affected keep the economy going and basically create herd immunity by gettingk sick with the virus and not dying. mos ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
12/9/2022 1:10am
... infirmed so they should be protected and let younger people who aren't affected keep the economy going and basically create herd immunity by, you know, getting sick with the virus and not dying, and that was just the most imminently ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
11/23/2022 6:44am
... you couldn't ignore it.he i and you begin to ask yourself, what is this about? the guy in charge of responsecoi wad,s lying about covid why he lied about herd immunity. s an then he lied about masks and then he repeatedly lied about vaccines. d liedcan't lie if you're a pubc health official. but he ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
11/23/2022 1:44am
... he lied about herd immunity and about masks and lied about vaccines. today fauci 81 held his last ...
FOX News: Fox News at Night
9/20/2022 4:06am
... in new york city? they need to decide what it is. for you and i, for america, the pandemic phase of this is over. the cdc has said we are at herd immunity and the white house just needs to get with the program. ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
8/23/2022 0:04am
... admitted to 'the new york times' that he lied about heard immunity -- about herd immunity, and that the vaccines -- but those did hurt a lot of people. then, he lied about the masks ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
8/16/2022 5:42am
... sous how do we get to a place where they're calling an elections justice protest and insurrection? well, here's part of the answere . the guy who admitted to lying about herd immunity and masks and the effectiveness of the vaccines he pushed ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
8/16/2022 0:43am
... about herd immunity and the effectiveness of the vaccines he pushed is now lecturing you about on truths, why? because january 6th!' so when every sane person ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield
7/30/2022 6:22pm
... that elusive herd immunity, is that new strains will come. and currently that ba.5 variant is the predominant strain not only here in st. louis but across the country. so we have to be thoughtful, we have to be coming back to how do ...
FOX News: Jesse Watters Primetime
7/27/2022 11:43pm
... campaigned on. i'm not going to shut down the economy. i'm going to shut down the virus. [laughter] jesse: not going to shut down the economy. i'm going to shut down the virus. promises made, promises not kept. now biden says he is for herd ...
FOX News: Jesse Watters Primetime
7/21/2022 11:19pm
... this -- this is -- you know, everyone -- at some point everyone is going to get covid. jesse: so they went from i'm going to crush the virus to everyone is going to get it. so now that joe biden caught it now the white house is suddenly for herd immunity, a phrase that if you used during the trump ...
MSNBC: Yasmin Vossoughian Reports
7/21/2022 3:37pm
... to avoid but alas there's a kind of herd immunity taking place in america now. everybody's life has been touched by covid and it seems that foreign travel is still risky. this will be an attempt to do ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom Live
7/18/2022 7:42am
... immune responses generated by either vaccines or previous infection that we all have a certain level of susceptible, and so everyone needs to be cautious at this point. we've spoken so much in the past about herd immunity. ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
7/15/2022 0:02am
... social media. if you kept questioning, you might be fired from your job. doubting rochelle walensky's promises, doubting the biden administration's claims with the covid vaccine was totally acceptable. it was like questioning their views on herd immunity or mandatory masking for children, ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
7/9/2022 2:27am
... this president will change his ways. and if there is a president after him he should reinstate every one of these folks. they are trying to serve voluntarily on behalf of the united states of america. raymond: what we are learning about herd immunity and ...
FOX News: FOX Friends First
6/30/2022 9:47am
... of our branches are meeting their recruitment goals. we are having trouble finding americans who want to serve and are qualified and i we are going to disqualify them over a vaccine mandate. in your letter you talked about natural herd immunity, exemptions of that nature. ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Pamela Brown
5/22/2022 10:11pm
... covid-19 with no herd immunity right now. [ applause ] reporter: the move is triumphant, the crowd massive. most people not wearing masks. at last month's military parade, kim jong-un promised to protect ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
5/20/2022 0:15am
... asymptomatic spread being not that's that important. about masks, et cetera, they attempted to redefine basic biology by changing website definition of herd immunity to get rid of the immunity from recovery from infection and ...
MSNBC: Morning Joe
5/19/2022 12:29pm
... reporter: some workplaces are reinstating mask requirements including the big three auto plants in michigan. it is to protect all of us. i don't mind. reporter: while some figured the u.s. would be close to herd immunity, that is complicated by ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom Live
5/17/2022 6:51am
... can some people just keep getting it every few months, is it possible? it's a great question and i believe it is possible. i mean, this whole theory of herd immunity, that once you get it, you will never get it. it's not playing out. you know, there's people and i'm ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom Live
5/14/2022 8:25am
... amnesty international says they refused. maybe they wanted different vaccines, but as a result, nobody in the general public of north korea has gotten the vaccine which means there is no herd immunity. and there are a lot of people who are food insecure. ...
CNN: Inside Politics With Abby Phillip
5/1/2022 12:29pm
... democrats thought a year ago they would be campaigning against at a roaring economy and herd immunity, instead they're facing runaway inflation, covid variants and a war in ukraine. the poll has been keeping some democrats up at night. ...
FOX News: Americas Newsroom With Bill Hemmer Dana Perino
4/27/2022 2:35pm
... herd immunity. you heard a lot about that early on. do you think we're at a point now where people can manage this in a way that they conduct themselves with the risk in mind? so as long as you are transparent with all the data and the issue with herd ...
FOX News: Cavuto Live
4/23/2022 2:42pm
... do what it did. neil: all right. back to dr. anthony fauci now. doctor, i apologize for that. we're talking about the legality of the judge and the football on that, but with i was asking you about this herd immunity thing of which you seem to have your ...
FOX News: Cavuto Live
4/23/2022 2:40pm
... and i believe we can do that. particularly if we get more people vaccinated to get it at a low enough level where it doesn't disrupt us. that's what i was trying to say where i don't think we're going to get rid of it. neil: but you also said, you also said that herd immunity ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom Live
4/18/2022 6:27am
... immunity once you've had the infection, right? but to think we're going to get herd immunity which having so many people get the disease, you know, there is a great study that came out that showed that sweden went that route and it just didn't work relative to its ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom Live
4/18/2022 6:27am
... which in essence offers them another booster. what would you say to that? boy, i think we all have come to the conclusion that herd immunity is a myth. you do get some residual ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield
4/16/2022 3:56pm
... we could still get that percentage up higher. as vaccine technology develops, there could be more effective and more durable vaccines in the future to increase our level of protection. after all, even if we reach herd immunity, there's still the risk ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield
4/16/2022 3:55pm
... this topic is a hot one. my colleagues talked to anthony fauci about this and he said, quote, the concept of classical herd immunity may not apply to covid-19 and that quote means we're not going to be without ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield
4/16/2022 3:54pm
... immunity'? when enough people develop an immunity to a virus providing an invisible safety net around the more vulnerable. where does if u.s. stand with covid herd immunity? cnn health reporter jacqueline howard has been following the latest developments. ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield
4/16/2022 3:54pm
... take aim at chronic kidney disease by talking to your doctor and asking about farxiga. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. far-xi-ga. remember the phrase 'herd ...
FOX News: The Ingraham Angle
4/9/2022 7:36am
... doctor flip flop fauci now says herd immunity for it is simply unattainable now. and he said in the past. n meanwhile, the vaccine didn'tot stop a widespread covid outbreak among elite d.c. democrats this week including. that's right. ...
FOX News: Hannity
4/9/2022 1:36am
... apology now says herd immunity for covid is simply unattainable. meanwhile, the vaccine did not stop a widespread covid out spread among elite d.c. democrats including a two year ...
CNN: The Lead With Jake Tapper
3/31/2022 8:45pm
... normal. but certain territories here in asia, including hong kong which is dealing with its largest ever outbreak and massive surge in cases and no herd immunity because they kept covid out and a lot of people felt they didn't get to get vaccinated. when omicron came in, the cases ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 7:08am
... it's associated with that rhetoric about herd immunity. that not a fundamental strategy. i don't do propaganda so i can't prove we reached herd immunity. but herd immunity is not a ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 7:07am
... the same herd immunity that is called unrealistic by the media? are they talking about herd immunity? ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 7:07am
... there could be more bad news coming up for the supply chain crisis. has anyone asked why we are not seeing the same outbreak in the united states? have we obtained herd immunity, ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 4:08am
... that not a fundamental strategy. i don't do propaganda so i can't prove we reached herd immunity. but herd immunity is not a strategy. it's a phenomenon. ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 4:07am
... called unrealistic by the media? are they talking about herd immunity? it's associated with that rhetoric about herd immunity. ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 4:07am
... there could be more bad news coming up for the supply chain crisis. has anyone asked why we are not seeing the same outbreak in the united states? have we obtained herd immunity, the same herd immunity that is ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 1:06am
... rhetoric about herd immunity. that not a fundamental strategy. i don't do propaganda so i can't prove we reached herd immunity. but herd immunity is not a ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 1:05am
... the same herd immunity that is called unrealistic by the media? are they talking about herd immunity? it's associated with that ...
FOX News: Unfiltered With Dan Bongino
3/20/2022 1:05am
... there could be more bad news coming up for the supply chain crisis. has anyone asked why we are not seeing the same outbreak in the united states? have we obtained herd immunity, ...
CNN: Anderson Cooper 360
3/16/2022 1:38am
... turns out its vaccine is not very effective against omicron or not effective at all. they've now got a huge outbreak there. they operated on a quarantine policy over the years of just zero tolerance. so they never during the past two years built up much herd ...
FOX News: Jesse Watters Primetime
3/14/2022 11:36pm
... herd immunity actually was something that worked to that extent. so, do you think that dr. fauci is going to escape justice after all of this carnage that we have seen in this country and what do you have in store for him? well, tomorrow we will have a ...
FOX News: The Five
3/1/2022 10:28pm
... [laughter] herd immunity crushed covid. he rolls out a bunch of shots, it's teed up. there is so much a lingering resentment for the fact that this guy and his people asked kids went beyond what was necessary and the fax fax ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
2/23/2022 6:31am
... so the health care workers who needed them so desperatelyy wouldn't have them. and then of course he kept moving the goalposts later on on how what level of w vaccination in the country would give us herd immunity. and he kept doing that , changing it right. the reason for that wase ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
2/23/2022 1:31am
... goalpost later on on what level of vaccination in the country would give herd immunity. he kept doing that, changing that. the reason for that was he wanted to continue the pressure on people to get vaccinated. now, this is the useful ...
FOX News: Special Report With Bret Baier
2/21/2022 11:44pm
... they wouldn't be sold out. of course later on dr. fauci -- he kept moving the goal post on, you know, how much penetration of vaccination we would need to declare herd immunity. did he that apparently because he wanted to keep moving the ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Pamela Brown
2/20/2022 1:39am
... protected from covid. so that means we've not yet reached and we may never reach so-called herd immunity, the likelihood of having a major significant outbreak like we had with omicron goes dramatically ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
2/17/2022 6:25am
... have the pragmatic because they're in the real world. they have to deall with real things and they have greater common sense. so they look at omicron and they say this natural virus t is in its descendants. it's more infectious but it's not as lethal. so people are getting herd ...
FOX News: Tucker Carlson Tonight
2/17/2022 1:25am
... not as lethal so people are getting herd immunity. it is time to let up. and after all, we are -- we give all these practical reasons why you should listen to them and the government has no answer and yet that they are a government of knowledge and intellect and ...
CNN: CNN Newsroom With Pamela Brown
2/12/2022 11:39pm
... februafor being too radical to get herd immunity as the policy of the u.s. government. another teaches at a veterinary hospital. another is an expert immunologyist but for salmon. between them they kept telling the crowd that vaccines have killed thousands of people. ...
FOX News: Fox News Live
2/12/2022 7:56pm
... revealed the omicron surge has caused a higher rate of infection among its young trial participants in previously recorded. we know that in the six months -- two years it did achieve the herd immunity would like to have her own children. by from the case three -- five _ ...
MSNBC: The ReidOut
2/12/2022 0:24am
... yeah, i'm glad we're now in the pro-death, pro-covid, f-them kids portion of the pandemic. we started with f grandma and grandpa to get herd immunity. i just came back from new york, the gazpacho police, who are oppressing new york, things were ...
CNN: Don Lemon Tonight
2/10/2022 8:34am
... so we are in many ways in a much better place. but i don't think anyone really knows what it's going to take to have so-called, you know, herd immunity or what i like to call community immunity. a lot of people have been exposed to this virus or one of the other variants. ...
CNN: Don Lemon Tonight
2/10/2022 4:35am
... better place. but i don't think anyone really knows what it's going to take to have so-called, you know, herd immunity or what i like to call community immunity. a lot of people have been exposed to this virus or one of ...
FOX News: The Five
2/9/2022 10:07pm
... suddenly, people with herd immunity spreading, and everybody now having tasted the poison and lived. now, they want out. everybody wanted out. greg: they had to be forced. that's not a political point. the government had to be forced, ...